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		<title>Comment on Now is not the time to save&#8230; by Connie Manis</title>
		<link>http://www.plain-sense.com/2009/02/22/now-is-not-the-time-to-save/comment-page-1/#comment-4051</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Manis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off let me say I have longtime reader, but this is my first comment. I thought I should probably say thanks for posting this piece (and all your others), and I&#039;ll be back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off let me say I have longtime reader, but this is my first comment. I thought I should probably say thanks for posting this piece (and all your others), and I&#8217;ll be back!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Externalities &#8211; Social Costs and Social Benefits by frank patton</title>
		<link>http://www.plain-sense.com/2008/02/07/externalities-social-costs-and-social-benefits/comment-page-1/#comment-4036</link>
		<dc:creator>frank patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About your note of governments, in a great many decisions government is part of the problem by allowing corporate take over of a commons or ecosystem for their gain and governments do it in many ways.  The present example is the tar sands in Canada.  Water, air, animal life and the end product that is created creates even more problems or externalities.  With our present economic system as you point out, there&#039;s no solution.

... this is the invisible hand at work (as presently defined). It&#039;s very depressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About your note of governments, in a great many decisions government is part of the problem by allowing corporate take over of a commons or ecosystem for their gain and governments do it in many ways.  The present example is the tar sands in Canada.  Water, air, animal life and the end product that is created creates even more problems or externalities.  With our present economic system as you point out, there&#8217;s no solution.</p>
<p>&#8230; this is the invisible hand at work (as presently defined). It&#8217;s very depressing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pigovian Taxes by Doug Gentry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Gentry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right - it is hard to imagine a good, direct tax that would change behavior such as extracting oil from tar sands. In theory the government could impose a per-unit tax on anything extracted. I might suggest or prefer a tax on the final product - sufficient to make such extractions not economically viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; it is hard to imagine a good, direct tax that would change behavior such as extracting oil from tar sands. In theory the government could impose a per-unit tax on anything extracted. I might suggest or prefer a tax on the final product &#8211; sufficient to make such extractions not economically viable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pigovian Taxes by frank patton</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank patton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really doesn&#039;t play out when it come to tar sands, how do you tax the massive externalities that are are being created?  You can&#039;t or can you, I don&#039;t know.  The environmental mess that is taking place there is so massive that I don&#039;t see how one could figure out a tax, where do you start and what do you include?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really doesn&#8217;t play out when it come to tar sands, how do you tax the massive externalities that are are being created?  You can&#8217;t or can you, I don&#8217;t know.  The environmental mess that is taking place there is so massive that I don&#8217;t see how one could figure out a tax, where do you start and what do you include?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Early Laffer Curve Application by Orphe D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orphe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you care to view the video and comment on your blog? I am very interested in what you have to say.  Your opinion matters! Thank you.
http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/videos/laffercurve1-3/laffercurve1-3.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you care to view the video and comment on your blog? I am very interested in what you have to say.  Your opinion matters! Thank you.<br />
<a href="http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/videos/laffercurve1-3/laffercurve1-3.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedomandprosperity.org/videos/laffercurve1-3/laffercurve1-3.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Do We Tax? by Adult Family Homes</title>
		<link>http://www.plain-sense.com/2010/01/16/why-do-we-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-3743</link>
		<dc:creator>Adult Family Homes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Bother to Trade? by Plain Sense Economics &#187; Costs of Tariffs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plain Sense Economics &#187; Costs of Tariffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] classes look at the issues of free trade versus protectionism. We review the theory &#8211; comparative advantage &#8211; that argues for free and open markets among nations. And we review the common arguments [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Who&#8217;s to Blame? by Doug Gentry</title>
		<link>http://www.plain-sense.com/2010/01/05/whos-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Gentry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one quick note to Paul&#039;s thoughtful critique. Bernanke doesn&#039;t dismiss the housing bubble, but claims that it was due more to inflows of capital funds from foreign sources. I saw a portion of his speech to the AEA (gotta find the full version somewhere) that had an academic bent to it, showing possible correlations of monetary policy and inflows against housing prices. In is mind the capital inflows were a bigger part of the explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one quick note to Paul&#8217;s thoughtful critique. Bernanke doesn&#8217;t dismiss the housing bubble, but claims that it was due more to inflows of capital funds from foreign sources. I saw a portion of his speech to the AEA (gotta find the full version somewhere) that had an academic bent to it, showing possible correlations of monetary policy and inflows against housing prices. In is mind the capital inflows were a bigger part of the explanation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who&#8217;s to Blame? by Paul Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.plain-sense.com/2010/01/05/whos-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-3178</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to disagree with you on this one in a rather significant way.  

First of all, the Fed has an ideological bent that has massive consequences on the people of this country.  Alan Greenspan&#039;s inability to see past his belief in the world as described by Ayn Rand nearly ran our economy off of a cliff.  At the end of it all, saying, &quot;Oops, I&#039;m fallible&quot; doesn&#039;t quite wash with me.  Economists should no longer be given the luxury of power without the responsibility of accountability.

If a doctor makes an error in judgment, a person could die.  If an economist does, millions could suffer or die.  We don&#039;t even have to take an oath.  So, yes, I think political oversight (what you might call second-guessing if you were inclined to poison the well) is justified.

Bernanke&#039;s statements are disconcerting to me.  Allow me to explain why:

According to the Case-Schiller Index (which indexed at 2000), housing prices increased to 146% (of the 2000 index - &quot;I&quot;) by 2004, peaking at 189% I in 2006.  So, can we explain that through normal market action?

The main demand drivers for housing are two:  population and household income.
The primary supply driver is the housing stock.

If we just look between 2000 and 2004, population growth was around 1.5%, while income per capita declined by 3%, creating an average income per household decline of 1.4%.  (Source:  New York Times)  These aren&#039;t major shifts, but should have resulted in an overall lessening of demand (the total money chasing the market declined).

According to the normal model, then, supply must have been decreasing substantially to suggest such a massive increase in price, right? 

In 2000 we had ~115 million units of housing.  The rate at which new units were being &lt;strong&gt;added&lt;/strong&gt; to the market changes from ~1.5 mil homes/year (in 2000 - 2001) to ~2.2 mil homes/year (2004 - 2005).  So, while apparent demand was being driven down, supply was being driven up.  But prices were increasing.  This seems to imply that either economics stopped working or that there&#039;s something big influencing the market, right?

At this point one might suggest someone should have noticed this complete reversal of normal market behavior in 2004 - but it&#039;s easy to point fingers after the fact, so I digress.

The most likely explanation for this seems to be that demand was going up because financing was getting easier.  Lending standards kept declining, allowing more and more people to take on more and more debt.  Bernanke chocks this up to a lack of regulation.  This is true, but it&#039;s not the whole story - and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to stop there.

Prior to this time period the Fed was lowering interest rates substantially under Greenspan, and as a result t-bill prices reached all-time lows.  This had two major effects:

First:  Banks could easily borrow from the Fed, allowing them to lever up into profitable markets.

Second:  Asian surpluses and U.S. investors, turned off by low yields on t-bills (1%), start looking to Wall Street for good returns.

Taken together, these two things meant that Wall Street was being given massive incentives to take big risks while looking the other way.  The Gordon Gecko&#039;s came out of the woodwork because we started rewarding them.

So, Yes, investors were pressuring banks to find newer ways to invest their money.  Yes, banks were taking risks and making more and more opaque financial products, leveraging themselves 30 to 1.  But these are direct, measurable results of the Fed&#039;s monetary policies, not unrelated happenings.

Maybe I&#039;m not qualified to make this statement (and please correct me if I am blatantly wrong) but it seems completely ludicrous for anyone (even Bernanke) to argue that monetary policy was not the primary driver of the housing bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to disagree with you on this one in a rather significant way.  </p>
<p>First of all, the Fed has an ideological bent that has massive consequences on the people of this country.  Alan Greenspan&#8217;s inability to see past his belief in the world as described by Ayn Rand nearly ran our economy off of a cliff.  At the end of it all, saying, &#8220;Oops, I&#8217;m fallible&#8221; doesn&#8217;t quite wash with me.  Economists should no longer be given the luxury of power without the responsibility of accountability.</p>
<p>If a doctor makes an error in judgment, a person could die.  If an economist does, millions could suffer or die.  We don&#8217;t even have to take an oath.  So, yes, I think political oversight (what you might call second-guessing if you were inclined to poison the well) is justified.</p>
<p>Bernanke&#8217;s statements are disconcerting to me.  Allow me to explain why:</p>
<p>According to the Case-Schiller Index (which indexed at 2000), housing prices increased to 146% (of the 2000 index &#8211; &#8220;I&#8221;) by 2004, peaking at 189% I in 2006.  So, can we explain that through normal market action?</p>
<p>The main demand drivers for housing are two:  population and household income.<br />
The primary supply driver is the housing stock.</p>
<p>If we just look between 2000 and 2004, population growth was around 1.5%, while income per capita declined by 3%, creating an average income per household decline of 1.4%.  (Source:  New York Times)  These aren&#8217;t major shifts, but should have resulted in an overall lessening of demand (the total money chasing the market declined).</p>
<p>According to the normal model, then, supply must have been decreasing substantially to suggest such a massive increase in price, right? </p>
<p>In 2000 we had ~115 million units of housing.  The rate at which new units were being <strong>added</strong> to the market changes from ~1.5 mil homes/year (in 2000 &#8211; 2001) to ~2.2 mil homes/year (2004 &#8211; 2005).  So, while apparent demand was being driven down, supply was being driven up.  But prices were increasing.  This seems to imply that either economics stopped working or that there&#8217;s something big influencing the market, right?</p>
<p>At this point one might suggest someone should have noticed this complete reversal of normal market behavior in 2004 &#8211; but it&#8217;s easy to point fingers after the fact, so I digress.</p>
<p>The most likely explanation for this seems to be that demand was going up because financing was getting easier.  Lending standards kept declining, allowing more and more people to take on more and more debt.  Bernanke chocks this up to a lack of regulation.  This is true, but it&#8217;s not the whole story &#8211; and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to stop there.</p>
<p>Prior to this time period the Fed was lowering interest rates substantially under Greenspan, and as a result t-bill prices reached all-time lows.  This had two major effects:</p>
<p>First:  Banks could easily borrow from the Fed, allowing them to lever up into profitable markets.</p>
<p>Second:  Asian surpluses and U.S. investors, turned off by low yields on t-bills (1%), start looking to Wall Street for good returns.</p>
<p>Taken together, these two things meant that Wall Street was being given massive incentives to take big risks while looking the other way.  The Gordon Gecko&#8217;s came out of the woodwork because we started rewarding them.</p>
<p>So, Yes, investors were pressuring banks to find newer ways to invest their money.  Yes, banks were taking risks and making more and more opaque financial products, leveraging themselves 30 to 1.  But these are direct, measurable results of the Fed&#8217;s monetary policies, not unrelated happenings.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m not qualified to make this statement (and please correct me if I am blatantly wrong) but it seems completely ludicrous for anyone (even Bernanke) to argue that monetary policy was not the primary driver of the housing bubble.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ponzi Scheme by payroll service providers</title>
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		<dc:creator>payroll service providers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope they figure something out. If not i don&#039;t know what people are going to do for retiree benefits</description>
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